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    A newspaper ad offering student housing, but aimed at ‘non-affirmative action females’ has caused outrage at the University of the Free State. After conducting their own investigation students complained that white students were told there was plenty of accomodation available, while black students were informed that there was a long waiting list due to the accomodation being full.

    The Afrikaans ad translates as “Safe student accommodation for non-affirmative action female Kovsie students in secure student houses. Walking distance from UFS campus”.

    rental ad

    Yep..that still happens in some parts of SA.

    “A newspaper advertisement targeting “non-affirmative action” female students at student houses in Bloemfontein will see the University of the Free State rector Jonathan Jansen complain to the South African Human Rights Commission today” [TimesLIVE]

    Sigh.

    [pic via @HeezyJan]

    Gruwel says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    No offense, but there’s a butt load of stuff out there advertising that it is for black people only, think BEE. During my studies at Stellenbosch University I was not allowed to apply for some (read: the majority of) bursaries due to my skin colour being white and I was not in the fortunate position where my so called rich parents (because they are white they are automatically classified as rich) could contribute financially towards my studies. Maybe people should stop being so biased as to thinking it’s only wrong if something reads “for whites only” (as was done in apartheid). It’s equally discriminating to have something read “only for previously disadvantaged”, because it judges you on the colour of your skin. There’s financially poor white people in SA as well. Money does not discriminate and leave only the black poor. FFS!

    Chris says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Gruwel, I want you to open your mind for just one minute and listen and think about what I ask and say to you. How many poor whites are there in SA? How many poor blacks? Do whites or blacks control the vast majority of the wealth in SA? What percentage controls how much wealth? Now that you have a context I want you to think back to how long the blacks in SA were disenfranchised and marginalized by the tiny minority of whites. Now ask yourself after hundreds of years of oppression and a democratic transfer of power in 1994 who controlled the wealth, land, and economic resources? How much has that changed in the last 20 years? So while there are poor whites they are a tiny minority of a tiny minority. Maybe you and others who think like you should stop thinking of BEE as for blacks and whites and think of it as for those who were restricted opportunities and marganalised for hundreds of years. Opportunities for those who were forced into poor settlements, who are forces to attend substandard schooling, who are forced to scrounge rob and steal because they lack opportunities. You do realize that there is close to 50% youth unemployment in SA. What do you suggest these millions of people do? Should they be happy about where they live should they be happy about earning 100rand a day shoveling dog shit for rich white people who’s kids drive BMWs and go to good schools and have parties and vacations. Cry me a river? Maybe it’s time you stopped being so dammed selfish and thinking “poor me” and start realizing that the thousands of poor whites in SA are but a needle in a haystack of millions of poor blacks.

    Chris says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    I sincerely hope that the current crop of students studying at Stellenbosch learn about the actual facts of SA and stop whinnying about how hard it is for them.

    Gruwel says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Hi Chris. Thanks for enlightening me. But just to retort:
    1. The problem lies not with BEE, but the way it is being implemented. Do you truly believe that it is not an excuse in the government to favour friends and family and do you also believe that with BEE a qualified and competent person is always appointed? Or might it just be that BEE is not quite as effective (and a good system for that matter) as idealists make it out to be? Point and case, Eskom.

    2. “I sincerely hope that the current crop of students studying at Stellenbosch learn about the actual facts of SA and stop whinnying about how hard it is for them”. A specific university is not in question here. This happens at various universities. Point and case, UCT that works on a percentage system of students allowed based on the colour of their skin. This sentence of yours does not contribute to the argument.

    As a side note, you will be surprised by the number of black students (so called previously oppressed) that drive BMW’s sponsored by rich parents.

    Maybe I’m not as closed minded as you make me out to be. My problem lies with the fact that people are still discriminating on skin colour. That people like you keep slamming whites for appartheid while the solution lies not with BEE, but helping the youth through education and financial aid where it matters. Not squandering money on Nkandla, expensive caviar parties, oversees holidays for friends and family on tax payers money, not eating R30 000 worth of Nando’s on tax payers money and not throwing school books in the river (think Limpopo). The list is endless. But hey, who am I, the privileged white kid, to whine? Whether you truly believe that only white people are capable of being racist, that the BEE system is the most effective way of solving problems in SA, that appointing unqualified, incompetent people through BEE is a better solution than rooting out corruption and focusing on proper education for the youth that were oppressed and now have to “shovel dog shit” I do not know. But if you sleep better at night believing all this and if this soothes your conscience because for some reason you feel guilty, go for it. But please don’t accuse people who would like to see true equality in the county by aiding the unprivileged through ways that matter, like education and not through corruption and incompetency, of being narrow minded.

    You are welcome to reply, but I conclude with the above, as debating through a keyboard and over the internet is not going to resolve the problems we have in SA.

    Keep well and God bless.

    Chris says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    1: I have no guilty conscience regarding apartheid nor should you but that doesn’t change the fact that there was a land grab in SA by white settlers and then a government that marginalized the majority of its population at the point of a gun and a hangman’s noose. It also doesn’t change the fact that the vast majority of economic resources in SA, over 90% is controlled by whites who make up less than 10% of the population. I see you failed to grasp this when making your argument.

    2. Agreed that the solution lies in education. However you fail to realize that there are simply not enough jobs in SA. With 50% youth unemployment the vast majority of which are black what do you do with a workforce with no opportunities. Have a look at Spain right now as an example where youth unemployment is at close to 50% the majority of which actually have higher education. Does it make sense to you to then pander to the minority simply because it controls the wealth.

    3. I would not at all be surprised to see a lot of blacks driving BMWs at UCT because generally they are the ones who can afford to go to University but if we look at the bigger picture how many white kids as a % of the white population are driving BMWs as compared to black kids driving BMWs as compared to the black population. You see the point or are you still missing it? You are isolating incidences to personal experience here and not taking into account the other 50million people.

    4. The fact that you are university educated and seem incapable of looking past what really is a very simple fact is disturbing. This is not rocket science this is simple simple facts and figures based on population size, demographics, and income distribution.

    5. Do I believe that BEE is in place to favor government officials friends and family. ABSOLUTELY NOT. Do I believe that the government is guilty of those things? Absolutely. However, just because certain government officials are corrupt, inept, or guilty of various things, I do not believe that some form of affirmative action is not necessary.

    6. Their are cases where BEE has failed absolutely but what is the burden of proof for BEE’s success? DO you require 100% efficiency? Are there no cases where BEE is a success. Have you looked at Job creation figures or are you thumb sucking based on personal experiences.

    7 you asked if I believe that the best qualified person should always get the job? Yes and no, is the easiest way to answer it. I will ask you a question to answer your question fully. Do you feel that there is a level playing field for blacks and whites in SA? Do you feel that there should be a redistribution of wealth and or land? If no, what is the best way to deal with youth unemployment of 50% due to lack of opportunity? If the status quo of wealth distribution is not addressed in SA you will have a case where 90% of the wealth is controlled by whites(which will grow) 5%controlled by wealthy blacks(which will grow) 2% of the population. and the last 5% (which will shrink.) of wealth lies in the hands of the other 85%. So in order to avoid a situation like Zimbabwe and what is being proposed by the likes of Malema some form of redistribution MUST take place. The alternative being that you have land repossession and wealth confiscation by an angry mob(85% of the population) are you getting it yet. BEE is the simplest way to affect redistribution without armed riots and mobs(which is happening in Spain and Greece and other parts of Europe as we speak).

    Maybe everyone needs to forget feelings of guilt over apartheid but never forget the fact that it has left 90% of its population impoverished, uneducated, and with limited opportunity. You say that narrow mindedness is not a way forward and I couldn’t agree more which is strange because your view of things seems totally narrow minded based on what you see in your personal life and here from friends. Go out explore your country, research the realities, look at the political economic and social situation as a whole(ie:there are over 50million people in SA) not just the 1000 you know. Research beyond what you have read in the newspaper about Eskom and the government. Is there a need for change in Government? Damn right there is. Is there a need to get rid of bureaucratic inefficiencies. Damn right. Is there a need to reduce corruption and favor giving? Damn right. Is there a need to invest in education and youth DAmn right? With all of that done do you still feel that 50% of the youth that are currently unemployed will have equal opportunity at jobs which currently don’t exist? will Zuma’s 240million rand renovation change the 50% youth unemployment rate? Come now even in your perfect Utopia of perfect government some form of BEE would be necessary.

    Keep well and Save god’s blessing for someone who wants it.

    Travis says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Alwyas find the comments better than the article. White kids, black kids, Indian kids, coloured kids, who cares!? Live and let live, yo.

    Gruwel, you got your tertiary education, didn’t you? Do you have a car? Yes? Privileged much?
    Chris, unemployment in SA is 25% boet. In order to make a convincing arguments, get your facts straight. “Do some research” and all that jazz. http://www.statssa.gov.za/news_archive/Docs/QLFS_Press_statement_Q1_2013.pdf

    Travis says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am
    Chris says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Travis, before you criticize someone for not doing their research I recommend doing some of your own. I would also make sure you read correctly. If you re read I said youth unemployment is at 50% in fact as of 9 hours ago SA ranks third in highest youth unemployment rate, Boet. http://m.news24.com/fin24/Economy/SA-youth-unemployment-3rd-highest-in-world-20140120

    Chris says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Just so you get it. That report is called the Global Risk Report put forth bybthe World economic Forum. When you rank 3rd highest in anything in a Global Risk report that is not a good thing. So while Gruwel complains about his mates who didn’t get into UCT or Stellies because they are white have a really good think about what 50% youth unemployment means. It means you have a huge portion of the population disenfranchised and angry as can be with nothing to do. Do some historical research on countries that had and have massive youth unemployment. What you get are strikes, riots, looting, killing, etc…. Where is SA on that checklist? Now enter an organizer. Someone charismatic and hungry for power making promises of land redistribution, wealth redistribution, nationalizing resources and businesses. Have you got it yet? All of this is happening under your nose while you bitch and moan about BEE and your friends not getting the jobs they want or into the schools they want. Booooo fing hooooo.. The thing whites seem to fail to grasp is SA is a potential powder keg and while you bitch and moan about BEE and then bizarrely crime stats you fail to realize the problems. You so quickly blame the govt which is partly to blame but are never ever going to take a look at yourselves while conveniently saying apartheid ended in 94 so move on. What is happening today is the legacy of apartheid. So the next time you feel the need to whinge about reverse racism and BEE think about what a few million angry, poor, organized, and bored 16-25 years olds looks like.

    Frank says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Chris, it seems that you are the one failing to comprehend the problems in SA. You seem to miss the points made by the other chaps. So let me break it down for you into simple B.A. terms, maybe this will help you:

    1. BEE at the moment and the way it is being managed is not a very effective system (no one said it has to be 100% effective). Look at the majority of farms which was given to blacks as part of the land redistribution plan. The farms (albeit not all) are now in total derelict because the people it was given to are totally incompetent and unqualified to farm, yet we hear “I want land.” You do grasp that agriculture is a major contributor to SA economics? I agree with the idea behind BEE, what I do not agree with is the way that it is being mismanaged and problems it is causing for our economy because of greedy and corrupt people.

    2. No one ever said that the government started the BEE system as an excuse to appoint friends and family. The problem with BEE in its current state is (once again) incompetent and unqualified people are appointed in key positions and as a result the SA economy is suffering under it. Have a look at the economy, Rand to $ and the petrol price over the last 10 years, or do think that it prospered?

    3. Never ever is it OK to murder and steal because you are hungry. “…who are forced to scrounge rob and steal because they lack opportunities.” It seems as if though you condone such acts. Please have a read of the following book: Aher Arop Bol – The lost boy. This guy had FAR worse conditions than most of the youth in SA, yet he chose to rise above it without murdering, stealing, looting and blaming his conditions on other people. I truly hope that Nikki never gets raped, shot or stabbed because some youth decided to steal her purse because of his lack of opportunities. Or that your coming baby is not raped in order for the attacker to cure his AIDS.

    4. Gruwel is 100% right with education. Through education and proper funding from the government you can teach the youth to become entrepreneurs. Instead the government wants to ride the gravy train.

    5. A vast majority of the youth have the mentality of “want” and “give me” without lifting a finger (thank you Julius Malema). A legacy not brought on by apartheid, but an African mentality for 100’s, if not 1000’s of years.

    6. “Come now even in your perfect Utopia of perfect government some form of BEE would be necessary.” I totally agree with you. But this is where you seem to miss the point, the other people agree with you as well. We don’t want BEE in its current form and state. It is being mismanaged, no matter how hard you argue against it.

    7. You speak about the white people as a minority of a minority in SA and that there a far more blacks in the country and that is what matters. Even though you are right about the whites being the minority, is it never under any circumstances acceptable to oppress the minority. Just like in the States and Australia where the minority was oppressed, it is never NEVER acceptable.

    7. You believe that white people are trying to sweep apartheid under the rug. What about the ANC who has total disregard for the heritage of the white Afrikaner. No one said apartheid was right, no one said land grab was right, but that does not mean that the Afrikaner does not have heritage it can be proud of. You do realise that with Bloedrivier (Battle of Blood River) in 1838 Piet Retief went to Zulu king Dingaan to BUY land from him. What did Dingaan do? Murder and slaughter the boer party. Retief did not go to argue and take land, he wanted to legitimately buy land in order for the Boers and Zulus to live in harmony. Maybe read up a bit more on SA history before claiming to know everything there is of SA.

    8. Your friend Zahira Asmal’s father fought to change the name of a school. I mean come-on, a school! What’s but a name? Hardly anyone remembers the old geyser after which the school was named, but what happens? He suddenly looks like a freedom fighter, an activist and a democratic fighter. Go and ask someone to translate this for you – Leë blikke maak die meeste geraas.

    9. Think about the white youth, the youth who has degrees in engineering, doctors, scientists, etc. (all kinds of highly qualified professional people). Where do they go? They emigrate overseas because either they can’t find work in SA or because they are tired of being discriminated against for something they had no part of. Do you think we should still blame each and every German we meet because their father or grandfather was a Nazi? I don’t. So these qualified people leave, they contribute to the economy of Australia, England or America all the while SA is losing more and more qualified, experienced and competent people all because of BEE. And this affects the SA economy.

    10. After the Boer war (1899 – 1902, read up about it) the Afrikaner didn’t start stealing, murdering and raping after the British burned down all of their possessions and murdered their wives and children in concentration camps. No, they held their pride and started from scratch. They built this country up to a first world country with an extremely strong economy and military. Even in the face of sanctions against SA, SA flourished. The ANC came into power, they had everything working properly and in good condition. Where is our military now? Where is our economy now? Oh wait, you are going to make an argument about building the economy at the cost of black people. That the Boers was not oppressed for 100’s of years. See, you are predictable. It’s only this one argument that works for you, the likes of you and the ANC. You fail to grasp the point about not blaming other people. About working hard again from nothing and not having the mentality of “I deserve it. It should be given to me without me needing to work”.

    You keep making the same old typical arguments that I’ve seen more than a 100 times from people who either was not brought up in SA and now pretend to know everything there is to know about the country or someone who claims to be a fighter for right and justice while actually not even nearly grasping the problems that the country faces. Someone who has no clue whatsoever about this county, its youth, the history and the mentality of whites, youth, blacks and the majority of Africa. So please stop making shit arguments about opportunity, please stop taking only segments of information in order to substantiate your argument and please just stop bull shitting. You make yourself look like an even bigger fool.

    Chris says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Ahhh Frank, I hate to tell you about boring predictable arguments but truly and with all honesty I have heard your argument come from every nationalist around, about how the blacks just take take and fuck everything up and the boers work hard blah blah. You do realize that building the economy on slave labor is a great way to grow and sustain an economy right up until your labor force has had enough. Maybe you here the same argument over and over for a reason. But your small marrow mind fails to grasp it because you feel so superior. As far as referring to my wife and child to come I find that interesting. Since you know fuck all about me. If you would like to go into more depth I would happily do so but I am currently on my phone and on the go and therefore will leave it at the fact that your argument and belief system is antiquated and rooted in the extreme nationalism of times past. You can’t hide from realities the further you go extreme the further the response will be extreme, but soldier on my boy.

    Robert says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Calm down peoples.

    Chris says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    I will definitely give your comments the time they deserve as some of your points are valid, some are not and typical of nationalists, some are because you haven’t read or interpreted what I wrote properly, and some are just plain dimwitted. If you would like a complete argument based on population demographics, economics, and sociology I will find you some I have kept my arguments simple as this forum doesn’t allow for 100 page research projects that take months to compile. If you want to make it personal be a man look me up and we can make it personal. You seem to know a lot about me come find me and you can insult me in person.

    Chris says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    I will copy a link for you to read in the meantime as to what the problems of the agricultural sector lie and it’s not what you seem to think it is. By the way the current trend is that traditional farming ie: as was done by the Afrikaners is untenable and farmland is being bought up on large scales by the Dutch, Chinese, and Israelis for export farming. Your narrow minded view of the causes of the problems in agriculture are typical of the uneducated racist white that lack any grasp of historical, sectoral and global challenges. So please educate yourself. http://www.nda.agric.za/docs/sectorplan/sectorplanE.htm#current_reality

    Frank says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    I’m coloured, fyi.

    Chris says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Congrats. I suggest you reread my comments as you seem to have totally misinterpreted several things I said. So if you would like to reread and then re comment before I address your points 1 by 1 when I get to a computer go ahead. But at least 5 if your points you seem to have either read incorrectly or were incapable of understanding what was said.

    Chris says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Ok Frank you ready? promise you will actually read what I said before commenting.

    1. Just because a policy is not as effective or is being mismanaged does not mean that the policy is the fault. If this were the case SA should do away with any of its mismanaged policies or ones that are not meeting their targets. You refer to agriculture and land redistribution.(I hope you had time to look at the paper on the problems with agriculture in SA and that the majority of the current problems are rooted in the apartheid system) In terms of land redistribution, Whites in 1994 owned 87% of the land since only about 7% has been redistributed. So if the SA agricultural system is in crisis it’s certainly not from redistribution of 7%. Again refer to the paper.

    2. Actually that is exactly what he said ” Do you truly believe that it is not an excuse in the government to favour friends and family and do you also believe that with BEE a qualified and competent person is always appointed?” As far as rand to dollar values my guess is your basic knowledge of economics is lacking. Why do countries devalue their currencies? I will let you look it up but hint: check exports and unemployment.

    3. I never said it was ok to steal to support yourself, I said that if you have 50%youth unemployment who are poor and angry people will steal because there are no other real opportunities. Great example and great story, However I say again 50% of youths in SA are unemployed. You have given me an example of one.

    4. You must have missed this bit I wrote earlier when you were coming up with clever arguments, “Is there a need for change in Government? Damn right there is. Is there a need to get rid of bureaucratic inefficiencies. Damn right. Is there a need to reduce corruption and favor giving? Damn right. Is there a need to invest in education and youth DAmn right? With all of that done do you still feel that 50% of the youth that are currently unemployed will have equal opportunity at jobs which currently don’t exist? will Zuma’s 240million rand renovation change the 50% youth unemployment rate? Come now even in your perfect Utopia of perfect government some form of BEE would be necessary.” If you have trouble understanding that let me know but I feel it’s quite clear and simple.

    5. This comment is racist you do realize that? White’s also had a mentality of we can just take it and it’s ours if we have a gun and we can enslave people that existed for 1000s of years. You do realize that right?

    6. Again I agree it’s being mismanaged, but refer to point 1 about just because they are being mismanaged does not mean we do away with them or that as many people like to infer” that they are reverse racism.”

    7. I never suggested oppressing white people not even sure we you get that from. Unless you are saying BEE is oppressive in some way.

    your other number 7. You’ve lost me here. I said that forgetting the wrongs done under the apartheid regime and the economic and social legacy that was left behind needs to be addressed and not swept under the rug. However I will address the stupidity of comparing apartheid with the ANCs inaction on glorifying the white afrikaner’s heritage. As far as my knowledge of SA history I never claimed to know it all as you suggest however I do know that there was a land grab historically and the the black population was forced into servitude. You dont get a situation where even today 80% of the land is owned by less than 10% of the population without it. AGain not a difficult concept to grasp.

    8. No point commenting as it doesn’t relate to anything.

    9. What about the white youth? Well fuck me two ways from Sunday, at least they have the opportunity to go overseas or have different options in SA. Better put is ok should the poor black population who have limited to no opportunities bear the burden of apartheid instead? I never suggested we blame every white person for apartheid however that does not mean that we must sweep it under the rug and pretend that it’s economic and social legacy does not exist. If you would like to compare the situation in Germany after 1945 don’t and here’s why, google the Marshall plan and the formation of the WB and IMF also see post war Japan. As far as the brain drain phenomena, a. it’s much smaller than you seem to think it is. b.it has a much smaller affect on the economy than you suggest. 3. the hope is, is that there exist enough educated and trained people to take their place and if there are not that they will receive the training and education to do so.

    10. Did you just compare the Afrikaners after the Boer war to the blacks after Apartheid? Holy shit where do I start? a. There are and to keep it simple a shitload more blacks than whites and the majority of the blacks are poor. 2. after the Boer war the Afrikaners had a vital resource to build the economy with, yes there was gold that they took and yes there were diamonds that they took but no that’s not it… the vital resource was…… drum rollllllllllll free fucking labor. As far as the predictability of the argument, it;s predictable because you douche bag it is 100% correct. Do you know anything about profit and loss. Easiest way to increase profits in any company is decrease your wage bill. If you don’t have a wage bill and you get your gold diamonds and farming done for 0wage costs holy shit PROFIT!!!!! Now on a more serious note, the military and the economy. I was going to go into an explanation on it but I won’t it’s to long and I don’t believe you can grasp it. So i copied a link and if you feel up for a challenge give it a bash.

    http://www.sahistory.org.za/archive/chapter-4-fruits-freedom

    Are you suggesting that all black people have the attitude that they want it for free and don’t want to work and that all colored and white people want to work? That is some serious racist dumb ass shit right there.

    This has nothing to do with blaming people this has to do with REALITIES. Think, if I drop you in the ocean 500 meters off shore you can 1. blame me 2. swim in 3. call for help, all options. But the fucking reality is you are still 500 meters offshore in the ocean. In SA the reality is that 1. Apartheid happened 2. It left a situation where the Whites had control of the land and it’s wealth 3. That the blacks make about the majority of the population and control a tiny minority of its resources. 4. Currently 50% of 16-25 year olds a (huge number of people) have no jobs and limited to no opportunity. You want them to work? Fine what exactly do you want them to do? PS: its not 1000 or 100000 people we are talking here its millions. You refer to Nazis and Germany, ok here’s a riddle… what is the one thing that Russia, Spain, Italy, Germany all have in common between 1910 and 1930 let’s say? Guess. I am not suggesting that it’s the right thing….. I am suggesting that it’s a real fucking thing. Who’s the fool now?

    Frank says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Feelings aside, please read the following.

    http://news.acts.co.za/blog/2013/10/sas-unemployment-is-a-ticking-time-bomb-and-probably-vastly-understated

    When you read this article, please take notice of the following:
    What happens when you force an employer to pay a minimum wage increase in the double figure % like in the agricultural and mining sector? Is this good and will the employer be able to sustain this? If not, will this lead to job loss and subsequently an increase in unemployment? In the case of mining, 10 000 – 20 000 job losses in one go
    Can jobs just be “created” and is this good?

    Or is Dawie Roodt just another idiot?

    Another thing that you can help me understand, is the unemployment rate (trend) increasing or decreasing? If it is increasing, don’t you think that in the lets say last 10 years it should have decreased ever so slightly due to all the measures that the government puts in place to better the situation for people without opportunity? If not, why is the unemployment rate in and upwards trend?

    Chris says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    I will read it shortly. Unemployment rate will increase as SA has a top heavy youth population that is increasing at a higher rate than jobs. Add to this and a global recession and the fact that FDI will decrease because companies are inherently risk averse you have a problem. As far as the article above it depends entirely on the sector and the wage bill and it’s distrinution but if the case is at is usually is that you have a top heavy wage bill then yes there is room for bottom level wage increases and no employment figures shouldn’t be greatly affected. Again this is all in aimple economic terms and there is many more influences to factor in. But BEE is certainly not the problem.

    Chris says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    I agree with large portions of the article and entrepreneurship support is essential this is no secret at all. Also not a secret is that SA has a hugly regulated work force and it’s problematic. I never suggested that jobs should just be created, again you misread what I am saying or deliberately looking for other subject because you think you’re being clever.. In actual fact I am not sure what any of this has to do with the price of tea in china or bee for that matter.

    Nikki says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    I am curious how Frank knows me (mentions me in his comments) and the fact that he knows that Chris have a baby on the way? Frank what is your surname?

    Frank says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Aah, the price of tea in China. Another interesting topic. What’s your take on the increasing price of tea? Is this good or bad?

    Travis says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics. No matter who wins, you’re still a retard.

    Chris says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Congratulations Travis, you just won a gold medal.

    Travis says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    If I wanted my own cum back, I will wipe it off your mother’s chin.

    Chris says:
    January 01, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Ohhhhh congrats Travis, best comeback ever. I feel so put in my place. How could one possibly compete with someone with the level of wit and intelligence you display. . Just two little problems . My mom swallows. And why would you want your cum back?

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